Beta engine motor mount rust - OSPHO and paint

Middle of November 2014 - Paradise Village Marina in Banderas Bay Mexico

 We have found and are working on our motor mount rust.

This one is by our zinc and at first I was not that careful when removing the zinc for a quick check on the condition. The salt water would splash out. Now I am real careful not to spill any salt water :)

We were directed to use OSPHO by Stanley on the Beta Marine Forum then paint.

"RUSTED METALS - OSPHO is a rust-inhibiting coating - NOT A PAINT You do not have to remove tight rust. Merely remove loose paint and rust scale, dirt, oil, grease and other accumulations with a wire brush - apply a coat of OSPHO as it comes in the container - let dry overnight, then apply whatever paint system you desire. When applied to rusted surfaces, OSPHO causes iron oxide (rust) to chemically change to iron phosphate - an inert, hard substance that turns the metal black. Where rust is exceedingly heavy, two coats of OSPHO may be necessary to thoroughly penetrate and blacken the surface to be painted. A dry, powdery, grayish-white surface usually develops; this is normal - brush off any loose powder before paint application."

The rest of the instructions can be found on the OSPHO web site.

 So we have done the wire brushing and some sanding and applied the OSPHO .

After 24 hours we will paint!

We purchased a pint of gray rust preventive paint from a local paint store here in Puerto Vallarta.

24 hours after applying OSPHO to the motor mount.

We wire brushed it and then painted it.

We did all four MM.

Just painting away!

Tried not to get too much paint on the rubber inside the motor mount.

I thought we should try some of this paint on the old bronze plumbing as it looked so good.

The coupling was getting rusty and so were the bolts on the tranny side so we earlier had touched up the red (but had no OSPHO ) and now used the OSPHO  and then painted the coupling.

Looks good so far!

No more rust on coupling or bolts!

From this..

To this : )  The edges are rubber as there is a rubber pad the MM is sitting on. Also there is a big rubber dampener inside the motor mount I tried to stay clear of with OSPHO, paint etc.

All four MM done and no rust!

From this...

To this...Next it will be painting the other dorad hose.

Goodies arrived by snow birds Ken and Nancy on s\v Gitane

Middle of November 2014 - Paradise Village Marina in Banderas Bay Mexico

Ken and Nancy on s\v Gitane brought these goodies down with them for us as they returned for the winter (snow birding) or summer birding.

Kato Marine Island Davits - refit - 4

Middle of November 2014 - Paradise Village Marina in Banderas Bay Mexico

Our Harbor Freight winch arrived and bracket. 

Ken and Nancy on s\v Gitane brought this down with them as they returned for the winter (snow birding).

When the davits get back from the weld shop this time we are hoping to fit the winch to a davit and then have some supports welded on for the bracket. We still need to send the supports out to the weld shop for additional welding :(  We are however running out of time as we wanted to be gone cruising by now this year. We will be leaving soon one way or another!

The little diesel pump for the Racor filters - 8 - it works but different

Middle of November 2014 - Paradise Village Marina in Banderas Bay Mexico

OK go figure! Our desiel tank is 80 gal and is mounted under the cockpit sole. It is higher than the engine and Racor filters. Our Racor filters would never back feed from the diesel tank and required having diesel poured into them\it from a fuel plastic fuel tank to a suitable container. Why they would not siphon from the diesel tank I could never figure out.. Well today we did the “drain the Racor filter” and use the diesel pump we installed to back fill it, making the job so much easier and less messy. Only thing is, you guessed it, the Racor filter back filled from the desiel tank. We had cracked the top of the Racor filter to drain it out and then when we opened the Racor filter valve the Racor filter filled up and flowed out the top till we cranked it closed! It had to have been something we changed of course, the fuel line or valve who knows? We did not change the fuel line route much.

Each container in the bucket is a Racor filter full of diesel fuel.

Any way no need for the diesel fuel pump now. It could come in handy for some engine work or bleeding the engine.

This is all good. No need for messing about changing the valve position, like that was a big deal :)

Beta 38 hp diesel would not start after oil and filter change!

Middle of November 2014 - Paradise Village Marina in Banderas Bay Mexico

We changed the oil and filter in the Beta 38 hp diesel engine and then we tried to start the engine to circulate the oil through the filter before adding more. The engine would not start. Turn the key and the buzzer came on and the idiot lights but no starter action, no solenoid action, not even a click!

When the key turns to "Start" the engine does nothing - no clicking, no starter noise.
The four lights on our engine control that should light, light and buzzer sounds. But when turning the key to start, nothing.

It was running just fine as we were in the process of changing the oil and filter.  We ran the motor to heat up the oil then turned it off to pump out the old oil, change the filter then add the new oil. Went to start the engine again to circulate the oil to see if we had to add more when the engine would not start.

We removed one bolt with spacer and loosen 
the other so we could swivel the relay around and see it.

If you look close you can see a curly 1 mm black wire (painted red) dangling. Also see a terminal end sitting in the shallow part of our (now dirty) bilge. It is the solenoid  ground wire.

We do not see, on the schematic pg 62 of the "Beta Operators Manual", where this wire connects. It is not long enough, it seems, to connect anywhere that it would in the schematic?

OK on pg 61 I do see the black wire which is what the disconnected wire seems to be (had to go chase down internet though as we couldn't get it on the boat). It looks to go to a starter motor bolt. 

The wire we found out does not bolt to the starter as indicated. 

 We then wrote into the Beta Marine Forum  and asked about the situation.Some of the text below is what we wrote. We did fix this before they had a chance to reply, we fixed this within 24 hours handy us! :)

In troubleshooting the problem, we inspected the starter motor for a possible blown fuse.  In doing that, we saw a small coiled wire hanging from the relay and the solderless terminal end sitting in the bilge. 

The end is round and not broken so how it fell into the bilge is a wonder.  It is the only "coiled" wire on the relay and the schematic says it is connected to the starter motor bolt. The round part is not broken so how could it just fall off unless the bolt is out which it is not. We come to find out that is not where it was connected of course. It took a little common sense thinking to realize this :)

I know we could have trace the 3 wires that are connected but it is not so easy, but could be done. Actually there are really 4 wires connected to the relay Plus the 1 mm ground wire.

Would this prevent us from starting the engine if it is not connected as is the case? Yes!

Can we ground it some other place a bit easier to get at by possibly extending the wire?

We did run a test lead to the coiled black 1 mm ground wire and then to the engine ground but it changed nothing. We came to find out the 1 mm black coiled wire was just barely connected to the terminal end that was connected to the relay! Just dangling there and a nudge caused it ti drop into the bilge! So that is why the use of the test lead did not cause the engine to start.

Now here is the dangling wire, it was not dangling before and was hard to spot that it was a problem. 

When we used our "pickers" to retrieve the terminal end from the bilge, this wire just fell off the other terminal end and fell into the bilge!

I must say the wire did not hold up very well in the terminal ends!

OK sure enough that little 1 mm curly black ground wire was what caused the motor not to turn over! The schematic is a bit off as the end was bolted to the bracket that holds the relay. Once I removed that bolt (which required a 10 mm socket on a 1\4 drive with short extension ratchet) the hoop terminal end must have fallen off the bolt as the wire was disconnected from it. That was what was lying in the shallow bilge. We removed the 1 mm black wire from the relay and replaced both terminal ends and replaced the lock washer along with cleaning up the connections. Added some electrical grease and replaced the relay. We only needed to remove the one bolt (hardest one, of course) to do the work.

Here you see the coiling wire connected.

At the bottom is the relay back together.

 In retrospect we should have probably replaced the wire also but that we just did not think of.

Amazing how a small wire can stop us in our tracks.

Well the Beta 38 is up and running like a dream again and we will file this away 
"in case" :)

Binical painting

Beginning of November 2014 - Paradise Village Marina in Banderas Bay Mexico

The area around the binical and compass was pretty beat up with stains and scratches and green primer paint showing through the white paint. It has been a work bench and catch all for some years now.

So we are painting it. 

Yes it seems that some of the smaller things are getting looked after now. Each year the boat gets easier to use and nicer to be on! Once talked to some cruisers here in Mexico that said it took 7 years to get their boat to be set up nicely. Now that could mean they were snow birds and only showed up 2-4 months a year here and spent the rest of the time at their “home” in whatever country. I just talked to our snow bird boat neighbors and they said they have been here two years. I asked again and their boat has been here two years but they only take it out for two months a year and sail to another marina! The other two months they stay on it at the marina here. So you need to qualify the talk to get the right information or you’ll be wondering why their anchor rode lasts 20 years and ours not!  (Just a rant that doesn't necessarily fit into the category - one thing led to another!)

The little diesel pump for the Racor filters - 7 - test

Middle of November 2014 - Paradise Village Marina in Banderas Bay Mexico

After testing out the new diesel fuel pump it was apparent that we were not getting fuel directly from the tank but only from the line that runs through the fuel pump. We had to bead the engine several times running it about 15 min each time before it ran out of fuel. 

Before securing it to the bulkhead.

A couple days later I took the hose from the tank off the “T” valve and tried sucking the diesel from the tank. I did not get any diesel from the line, or I got enough to foul out my mouth but nothing else. Next I tried turning the valve to point to the fuel line coming into the valve and bingo, the fuel started flowing out of the line. So the valve does not seem to be logical but it works.

It took several more runs and bleeding's before by accident we got it to work. We started the Beta engine on the pump side with the valve pointed to the pump by accident and then realized it after about 5 min and switched to the direct line side and it ran fine after that.

You would think the arrow would point to where you want the flow to go, right or left etc but this valve has a different setup than the engine fresh water wash down 3 way valve. So I guess if I had played with it some before installing it I would have figured that out. It does work fine it will just need some labeling as we will use it only a dozen times a year or so. It does make it easier to bleed the engine although the Beta is not hard to bleed even if the injectors need bleeding also.

The only thing that got messed up was the fuel line hose directly from the tank by the Racor filters. It was routed behind the starter battery cable along the insulation but now it is out by the cable. I had to pull it out to try leaning down and siphon out the diesel fuel. Then forgot to route it back that way. I’ll re-route it next summer. Got more to do to leave the dock for cruising!